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Dice-K would have gotten the Win
August 10, 2007

Dice-K would have gotten the win had we not blown it, to the idiots who say otherwise go look at the rulebook

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	thats what i said...at home yes ..not on the road... 08/10/2007 11:46 PM
RSN14~RSM~

	your an idiot Dice K would have gotten the win look anywhere online and they will say he was denied the win and just look at the other blog someone backed me up 08/10/2007 11:46 PM
jtsredso..

	he would had to at least come back out in the bottom of the inning.. 08/10/2007 11:47 PM
RSN14~RSM~

	No but i just wanna prove that you are a moron and dont know the rules 08/10/2007 11:49 PM
jtsredso..

	sorry dude once gagne took that ball in the bottom of the 8th dice-k was out of the picture.... 08/10/2007 11:49 PM
RSN14~RSM~

	MORON=Madcap180 08/10/2007 11:50 PM
jtsredso..

	if he would have pithced the 8th and the sox hold on to win then yes..he gets the win... 08/10/2007 11:51 PM
RSN14~RSM~

	Daisuke had recorded the last out before the sox took the lead, he would have gotten the win 08/10/2007 11:52 PM
butters

	lets just push everything back an inning and go through this...say it was 1-0 going into the top of the 9th and Dice k pitched the full 8. then we score say just 4 runs so it is a save situation and papelbon comes in according to you guys papelbon would get the win but he would really get the save and dice k would get the win 08/10/2007 11:52 PM
jtsredso..

	yes he did...in the 7th 08/10/2007 11:53 PM
RSN14~RSM~

	no they don't 08/10/2007 11:53 PM
butters

	they didnt officially bring gagne in yet i dont care if Dice k knew he was coming out they dont make the change until they go out to play the field 08/10/2007 11:54 PM
jtsredso..

	if you look at the all-star game (i had an argument about this with my friends' brother) Beckett pitched the bottom half of the inning, and the AL took the lead for good the top of the next inning and he got the win 08/10/2007 11:54 PM
butters

	the 7th..that inning is over...move on to the 8th...did dice record an out...no he was gone... 08/10/2007 11:55 PM
RSN14~RSM~

	I cant believe how stupid you are rsnfan14 you are 43 and still dont understand, how do you call yourself a baseball fan 08/10/2007 11:55 PM
jtsredso..

	I know im pissed they lost but it would have been nice to see Dice K get 14 wins which he would have despite what you guys say 08/10/2007 11:57 PM
jtsredso..

	you two are dumb. Dice-K was the last guy on the mound before the Sox took the lead. another good example is in extra innings, the away team's reliever pitches the bottom of the 11th. in the top of the 12th his team takes the lead then the closer comes in the bottom half. the guy that pitched the 11th gets the W and the closer gets a save 08/10/2007 11:57 PM
butters

	not the point madcap i know it sucks walking but you could admit you were wrong 08/10/2007 11:59 PM
jtsredso..

	i win http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=270809117 Proctor pitched the tenth and got the win, saito comes on and gets the save 08/10/2007 11:59 PM
butters

	butters technically me and you win but thanks for backing me up 08/11/2007 12:00 AM
jtsredso..

	i know, sorry for not giving you credit 08/11/2007 12:01 AM
butters

	its all good thanks for posting the example 08/11/2007 12:02 AM
jtsredso..

	I dont care if he leaves the f*&king state of maryland until the sox take the field that inning he is the pitcher of record 08/11/2007 12:03 AM
jtsredso..

	madcap you are wrong 08/11/2007 12:03 AM
butters

	did you even look at the box score i posted? my guess is no 08/11/2007 12:04 AM
butters

	what madcap is refering to is if I come in with a 2 run lead then blow it and my team scores 5 runs the next inning I would get the win but really dont deserve it 08/11/2007 12:05 AM
jtsredso..

	yea, but that involves two lead changes 08/11/2007 12:06 AM
butters

	I know but madcap misunderstands that rule but whatever we know we are right so who cares what these boneheads think 08/11/2007 12:07 AM
jtsredso..

	true fact 08/11/2007 12:07 AM
butters

	what so you think your right...and that makes my stupid....thanks..and not i baseball fan....lets not go there...i'm sticking to my story...you think your right and so don't i ....but did i call you stupid...and not a true baseball fan....... 08/11/2007 12:09 AM
RSN14~RSM~

	I only called you stupid because I am POSITIVE i am right everyone else on this site except for madcap will back me up on it, sorry for calling you stupid i didnt really mean it i was just heated that we lost and you kept saying i was wrong 08/11/2007 12:11 AM
jtsredso..

	the only guy backing you up is butters.... 08/11/2007 12:13 AM
RSN14~RSM~

	noone else is on the site right now its 12 (on the east coast) but if you want back up lets bring this up again tomorrow 08/11/2007 12:13 AM
jtsredso..

	look at the link i posted, that's backing us up too 08/11/2007 12:16 AM
butters

	just look at the example butters gave its the same exact situation that happened tonight 08/11/2007 12:17 AM
jtsredso..

Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher. (b) If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed ...View More

08/11/2007 12:18 AM

RSN14~RSM~

	if this helps 08/11/2007 12:18 AM
RSN14~RSM~

	this whole argument was based on if the bullpen DIDNT blow the lead I know once it was 5-5 it was a no decision for Dice K 08/11/2007 12:19 AM
jtsredso..

	If we would have won 5-4 Dice K would have gotten the win 08/11/2007 12:19 AM
jtsredso..

	right 08/11/2007 12:20 AM
butters

	Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory 08/11/2007 12:23 AM
RSN14~RSM~

	the sox took the lead before Dice-K was taken out 08/11/2007 12:24 AM
butters

	if the bullpen hadn't blown the 5-1 lead, Dice-K would have won 08/11/2007 12:24 AM
butters

	I give up rsnfan if we would have won the game 5-1 Dice K gets the win he was the last pitcher on the mound before we score all the runs If gagne would have pitched a scoreless 8th and 9th he would get a save Dice K win, Gagne- Save...the rule you keep showing is for a completely different situation 08/11/2007 12:24 AM
jtsredso..

	just like madcap said...dice k was already out of the game...but you now what..i'm sticking to my story..it sucks we lost...next subject.. 08/11/2007 12:31 AM
RSN14~RSM~

If its tied and the inning ends then the visiting team comes out and goes ahead, the pitcher of record is the pitcher in the game when the inning ended. In this case Matzusaka finished the inning for 7.0 innings pitched. Then the Sox took the lead in the top of the inning while he was the pitcher of record. When the bottom of the inng comes and a new pitcher comes in, he is now the pitcher of record. ...View More

08/11/2007 12:45 AM

34*Trigg..

	Edit: It wasn't tied after the inning ended. But Dice K finished the inning and was still the POR when the Sox scored 5 runs. 08/11/2007 12:48 AM
34*Trigg..

	so basically you are agreeing with me that Dice K would get the win had we not blown the lead...correct? 08/11/2007 12:48 AM
jtsredso..

	the pitcher that came in..the bottom of the 8th..i'm confused 08/11/2007 12:49 AM
RSN14~RSM~

	it counts as a blown save for okajima but gagne technically blew it Dice K would have gotten the win you gotta believe me on this 08/11/2007 12:50 AM
jtsredso..

	ah sh*&t we still lost....dice k never threw a pitch in the 8th..thats all i know... 08/11/2007 12:53 AM
RSN14~RSM~

	Oki go the blown save because he allowed the tying run to reach base and score. 08/11/2007 12:57 AM
34*Trigg..

	ya..and he was trying to save it for gagne..the new pitcher of record.... 08/11/2007 1:03 AM
RSN14~RSM~

	okie got the blown save? SH*&T i thought he just got a loss i forgot he came in before the game was tied 08/11/2007 1:50 AM
Goya

	Gagne cant handle boston, and he is sucking. so, i dont understand why he even is pitching anymore. & Dice-K would have gotten the win 08/19/2007 11:19 PM
mr. anon..

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